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September 21, 2009 Plan Commission Minutes
Liberty Grove Planning Commission
Minutes from Meeting of September 21, 2009
Draft Version
Agenda:
1. Call to order 2. Roll call 3. Adopt agenda 4. Approve minutes: 8/24/09 5. Public input 6. Zoning issues—application for conditional use permit:
A. Apple pressing, fermentation, bottling and tasting at 1240 Garrett Bay Road (Richard Johnson building), Magnetic North BE LLC
B. Zip line course, launch platform at Wagon Trail parcel #018-02-25322834, Jewel Ouradnik (David Rack, developer)
7. Discuss/consider recommendation on resolution approving & recommending adoption of Door Co. comprehensive plan 2030
8. Budget considerations for 2010: discuss/recommend to finance committee
9. Summary of Town Plan changes to date
10. Discuss Town Comprehensive Plan: review Ch. 8, “Land Use” element
11. Correspondence
12. Future meeting dates
13. Adjourn
Chairman Goss called the Commission meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Also present: Commissioners Sauer, Karkau, J. Nelson, Shumway, Miller and Clerk/Administrator Kalms. Commissioner Forkert was absent. About 15 citizens also attended.
Miller/Shumway to adopt the agenda as published. Carried 6-0.
Sauer/J. Nelson to approve the 8/24/09 minutes. Carried 5-0-1, Miller abstaining.
Magnetic North Conditional Use Permit. Bob Purman, the applicant, was present and said he changed to this location because of parking concerns at the previous building. He said County Planning has no concerns with this location. He said the holding tank for the site, installed in 1986, will probably be replaced. The apple pressing residue will be removed on a daily basis. Pressing is done from October thru December. Miller moved, Goss second to recommend that the Town Board send a letter of support to the RPC for a conditional use permit for Magnetic North LLC at 1240 Garrett Bay Road. Carried 6-0.
Ouradnik Zip Line Course. David Rack spoke for the applicant and compared the zip line as a nature walk through a canopy of trees. They have 3 lines next to a Sand Bay Trail with wetlands on either side; staff inspects the installations daily and an insurance company yearly; customers are always tethered so they do not fall. Shumway moved, Sauer second to recommend that the Town Board send a letter approving the zip line course for Jewel Ouradnik on parcel #018-02-25322834. Carried 6-0.
Resolution approving County Smart Growth Plan. Nancy Goss said the Plan Commission has been reviewing the Plan over the last several months. Chapter 8, Land Use, is on the agenda tonight. Ch. 8 is not ready for sending to the Town Board: there is a mechanism by which the County can adjust their document if the Town desires changes; it is not advisable to act quickly. Miller said the County will review yearly; certain sections can’t be updated by the Town because of census figures; the County will keep the core planning committee intact and call them in when needed. Goss said there are citizen concerns with non-conforming lots and need for a variance; if a lot is buildable now a variance is not needed; if a 3.5 acre lot exists in a NA 15 acre minimum area, you can still build.
Jim Smith spoke for Heron Ridge and Fox Ridge Estates. Their concern is that the County may try to re-zone the NA areas. He said the general plan design map is not consistent with what is there. Kalms explained how the Town went about changing zoning in areas that conflicted with the Town plan in terms of density. Jim Maronek said NA on the plan will not make the area that is residential now any different in the future; he requests a change to rural residential in the effected neighborhoods. Carole Maronek hoped a change would be made tonight. Bob Tidball felt a zoning battle will come about if the map is not changed. Dave Brandt was concerned about small groups making decisions for everyone. Alex Molnar likes the Plan and feels NA was well thought out; he does not feel threatened or violated; no plan is natural or unnatural; people screw up all the time and then figure out how to do it better. Miller said hearings were held throughout the County and is puzzled when people show up at the last minute and want change. Shumway felt the County resolution could not be passed in its present form. Goss said she is not in a position to approve the resolution, there are many questions. J. Nelson said there is no way the Town Board can give a recommendation to the RPC. Karkau said the Town and County need to work together. Shumway moved, Nelson second to table the resolution approving and recommending the adoption of the Door County comprehensive plan 2030. Carried 6-0.
2009 Budget. Mention was made that the County and Town have dropped their membership in Bay Lake Regional Planning. Sauer moved, Goss second to recommend a 2009 budget of $3,500 to the finance committee. Carried 6-0.
Comprehensive Plan Review, Ch. 8. Jim Smith said the Commission knows his clients’ position, and changes in the map would be simple. The Maroneks agreed. Tidball said if no changes are made we have the
original map, and he is opposed to that. Brandt is concerned with a handful of people doing the map. Molnar said you need to find what is fact; the Plan effects people in certain ways but not others; he supports the facts
as represented and sees no harm; what facts are in dispute. Shumway said we need 2 hours on Ch. 8 for more public comment; people had quit in the middle of Ch. 8 development before, it is a laborious process. Goss said a land use listening session has merit; she will discuss this with Chairman Lowry. Sauer questioned what the big problem is with Ch. 8.
Chapter 8 review. (Underlined portions added).
Page 147. INTRODUCTION.
First paragraph, first sentence: The Land Use ….present information on the most current (2001) available land use plan within……future growth and development.
Second paragraph, last sentence: Existing land …..also inventoried. Those controls and they are routinely assessed and assist in the ongoing development and utilization of the General Plan Design.
Page 147. LAND USE STRATEGY.
Goal: Promote responsible future development………and economic forces, provide for the health safety and welfare of the public, providing for........future land uses.
Objectives: 1. Ensure that all growth………..quality of life, provide for the health safety and welfare of the public, associated in association with…..and future residents.
Chapter 8 review will continue at the next meeting, which is October 12 beginning at 7 PM.
Karkau/Miller to adjourn. Carried 6-0. 9:31 PM.
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